Who are the rural students?
中文翻译在英文后面
At the CIES conference in New York, I attended a very interesting talk by Xiaoqi Yu from Kent State University. She asked students in China what they thought were the characteristics of a good teacher. Below are two groups of responses as described by Xiaoqi. One group of responses came from urban students, the other from rural students. Which is which, and why? I will give the right answer when at least 10 responses have been posted.
First group of responses:
- professional who can deliver information effectively
- fosterer who is not judgmental
- provider of shortcuts for passing exams
- coordinator of curriculum objectives and students’ interests
- planner who facilitates students’ learning process
Second group of responses:
- fosterer who cares about students’ well-being
- friend who shares my emotions
- professional who provides resources for learning
- adviser and protector who solves personal problems of students
翻译:胡永宏
哪组学生来自农村?
在纽约举行的美国比较教育年会上,我有幸聆听肯特州立大学余晓琪的一场精彩报告。她要求中国学生思考他们心中的优秀教师应该具备哪些品质。晓琪从中总结出两组描述,一组来自城市学生,另一组则是农村学生的回答。这两组描述分别与哪组学生对应呢?原因又是什么?只要留言达到10条以上,我就公布正确答案。
第一组
1. 专业,能够有效传递信息
2. 不以挑剔的眼光看待学生
3. 善于传授考试窍门
4. 能够很好地平衡课程目标和学生兴趣
5. 能够制订计划有效地敦促学生学习
第二组
1. 关注学生的身心健康
2. 愿意分享学生的喜怒哀乐
3. 可以提供学习资源
4. 能够帮助解决学生的个人问题

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zhenyu says:
Added on March 23rd, 2008 at %I:%M %pI wish I were there attending this interesting talk!
I guess the first group is from rural students and the second is from urban students. I think urban students are more inclined to focus on subjects like “well-being”, “emotion”, and “personal problems” since they are in a better economic situation and don’t have much pressure in learning and passing exams. On the other hand, rural students have to stand more pressure from learning so they may pay more attention to factors affecting teaching and learing, like effectiveness in delivering information, “shorcuts for passing exams”, combination of curriculum objectives and interests. Besides, the existing discrimination between urban and rural areas might promote rural students’ expectation for fosters who are “not judgmental”.
Wow, just as the old saying one coin always has two sides, I’m getting more and more confused and uncertain after comparing the two group of characteristics again and again. I’d better post before I change my mind:)
Vivian says:
Added on March 23rd, 2008 at %I:%M %pI would definitely say otherwise.
I believe in an urban setting, there will be intense competition for higher grades and desire to want to progress upwards, therefore the students will be more oriented towards achieving good grades and thus want short cuts to passing exams.
The rural setting however, provides a true environment for learning and learning for its own sake, not getting high paying jobs or chasing after status, etc and thus there producing a conducive learning environment where a child develops both academically and socially.
Well, at least that’s my perception of a rural setting.
Tanja Sargent says:
Added on March 24th, 2008 at %I:%M %pFirst group urban.
Second group rural.
Steven Liu (blog author) says:
Added on March 24th, 2008 at %I:%M %pFirst group urban, second group rural, for sure.
Tang says:
Added on March 24th, 2008 at %I:%M %pI initially started out thinking the former applies to urban school and latter to rural school. But then, like Zhenyu, the more I thought, the more complicated it became – because I wasn’t sure what types of urban and rural schools were surveyed (good or mediocre schools?), and what grade level students were surveyed (different grades would have different focus and needs; boarding middle school children in rural area may need more socio-emotional support as they’re away from families, etc.). So I guess I wouldn’t make a clear vote here… which may defeat the purpose… sorry Weiji!
Jingjing says:
Added on March 24th, 2008 at %I:%M %pFirst group urban.
Second group rural.
Marco says:
Added on March 24th, 2008 at %I:%M %pI agree with what Vivian says. Looking for shortcuts on tests seems like a characteristic of urban school students.
First group urban.
Second group rural.
Steven Liu (blog author) says:
Added on March 24th, 2008 at %I:%M %pMy cynical bones say that that’s a characteristic of both rural AND urban school students. And urban students are in a much better position to find cram teachers because they have the money to pay them.
Qian Xiao says:
Added on March 24th, 2008 at %I:%M %phah…………..interesting!!!!
hmmmm, it is hard to guess, especially when lack of infomation about how Xiaoqi conducted the survey, but I am going to give it a try anyways.
It seems to me that the first group of children emphasis more on learning vs. personal issues (1. 3. 4. 5. are all about learing, only 2 is about personalities or personal issues), however the second group of children showed different focus. They focus on people-people interaction with teachers and take a broader and also more general view of teacher’s roles. To me, knowledge delivery and personal development are both very important characters of teachers, and a good teacher should be good at both. However it is very interesting to do a little analysis of why different group of children emphasis on different things.
Hmmmm, I still havn’t made a guess yet, and I don’t feel confident about my guess. It seems that I can immediately come up with explanations for either group to be rural students….My analytical tendency is so strong that it holds me from being decisive. OK, let me be frank here and give my would-be explanations for either option:
1) if the first group of children turn out to be rural kids:
I won’t be surprise because in my view, rural kids are very eager to learn things and the tough environment they live in makes them more mature or more purposeful/goal-driven compared to their lucky urban counterparts. If this is true, we should pay even more attention to our curriculum(especially in last year), which used to be focus a lot in FUN, but didn’t focus on knowledge delivery and formal learning that much.
However I will have little concern for them if they emphasis “short-cut to passing exams”. In one hand, this shows how eager the kids are to change their situation and to move on to higher education. But as we’ve discussed enough in RCEF, though understandable and natural, exam-preparaion is really not going to help them to learn life-related skills or help them to succeed in future career, if they failed to pass.
2) if the second group of children trun out to be rural kids:
I won’t be surprised because rural kids, expecially those 留守儿童, must be very eager to receive careness, friendship and mentorship from people they respect, their teachers. If this is the case, I think our RCEF volunteers should pay even more attention to emotional needs of rural kids, conduct more interaction and communication with them, be careful to not to hurt their feelings and to educate them how to grow mentally healthy.
Well, no matter which one turn out to be rural kids, I think we should pay attention on both effective learning and emotional growth. As I said before, both are important to be good teachers.
Ok, so I am not making any guess…because I got really confused by myself, as always, hehe. Eager to know which one is right!
Haili Cheng says:
Added on March 24th, 2008 at %I:%M %pMy guess is:
First group urban.
Second group rural.
Reasons:
In the second group there is a response as “professional who provides resources for learning”. Rural students are lack of most kinds of resources.
And another response from the second group is “friend who shares my emotions”. Rural students tend to experience more difficulties, both financially and emotionally.
Sophie Sun says:
Added on March 24th, 2008 at %I:%M %pFirst group is more Urban, second group is more rural. But teachers from rural and urban share some common characteristics which describe in both groups:)
Annie Zhou says:
Added on March 25th, 2008 at %I:%M %pMy guess:
First group – rural
Second group – urban
Although there are many similar characteristics of both populations of students, the second group seems to focus more on interpersonal relationships and development, a concept that is still fairly new to rural areas but may be more developed in urban areas. The first group seems to be catered towards a more traditional curriculum, which is still dominant in rural schools.
W Chang says:
Added on March 25th, 2008 at %I:%M %pFor those of you who didn’t attend the conference, the topic was “What are the Roles of a Good High School Teacher in Urban and Rural China – Students Perspectives”
That should help clarify the questions earlier.
Lan Xuezhao says:
Added on March 25th, 2008 at %I:%M %pFirst RURAL, Second URBAN.
I am willing to bet with you guys on this.
Lan
Sheng Yin says:
Added on March 25th, 2008 at %I:%M %pI think the first group is from rural China because they focus on the original purpose of school which might be more about learning knowledge, getting better in exam, and at same time, it will be great if teacher will make lectures sound more interesting.
For similar reasons, I think second group is from urban China. They have access to the learning sources, so they just need to know which one to pay more attention. On top of that, they also need a good listener.
Yu Xiaoqi says:
Added on March 26th, 2008 at %I:%M %pDear all,
I am so thrilled that my paper provoked discussions. Thank you guys for your insights, which will facilitate the revision of my paper.
I doubt whether it’s proper to draw a distinctive line between the answers of the two groups. However,the first group of answers were from students from urban regions. The second group of answers were from student from rural regions.
The results/findings were interpreted by me after focus group interviews and coding with those 20 college freshmen (12 urban, 8 rural). Due to the limitation in study sample size, it is unreasonable to claim that the findings reflect the overall students opinion in China.
I was born and raised in Shanghai. I could not actually visualize the disparity of education between urban and rural regions untill listen to those students stories about their teachers. One point need to be pointed out is that students responses reflect the reality they have experienced as well as their expectations–an ideal type of good teacher in their head. These 2 aspects of “characteristics of a good high school teacher” make it interesting.
Those 8 students from rural area did from boarding schools system. They spent large proportion their life at school with their classmates and teachers. To them school is an extended family,teachers are fosters. While study extremely hard is already out of question, the selfless devotion of their teacher, therefore occur to their mind at first before the actual teaching skill their teachers revealed. A few students shew me pictures of their classroom took one week before Gao kao, classmates were like friends, standing in front of the chalk board filled with words that encouraging each other, it blew my mind away. Just speak from my own experience, my classmates were having all kinds of tutors, every body is helping themselves.
For urban students, there is an rising consumer mentality. I go to school, you better help me to achieve my goal of getting a high score. If we take the social setting–market economy into consideration, the pace of a cosmopolitan like Shanghai is nothing but rapid. The cohesion among people in the urban regions depends on the interdependence of one and another, this mechanic cohesion does not necessary require envolvement of emotions. And certainly, urban students go back to home every day after the school, which may also explain why there is not so much “touchy” feeling established between their teachers and them.
I also want to mention that my interviews with those students revealled a distinction of a good teacher and the popular teacher. A popular teacher possess charisma in thir language and appearance, but not necessary know how to deliver the curriculum. I am sure we all have similar experience—”you know, he is interesting person, but he does not know how to teach this.”
Here above are some of my thoughts along the line, when I finish my final paper, it shall provide you with more details and interpretations. Feel free to let me know your questions, concerns, and critics, certainly.